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12:20Riddell /win 54
12:20Riddellhmm
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03:47danielskailta
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05:48Cybermagellanhello all
06:10CybermagellanI thought there was a meeting today
06:11danielsthere was, 9 hours ago
06:11CybermagellanI hate living in the US sometimes....and working
06:12danielseh, it was 5am in .au time
06:14CybermagellanI am in the US....did anyone take notes and post them somewhere?
06:16danielsthere are logs at people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
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04:12opiHi guys
04:13ograhey opi, a bit early today ?
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04:13opiogra: I haven't sleep for 30h
04:13ogra2h to go
04:13opiogra: so I want to have a reminder
04:13ograah
04:13opiogra: I'm kinda dizzy, so XChat will help me to renember :-)
04:13opi(this, and coffee)
04:13ograi'll ping you if it starts
04:13opithanks
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04:55opihi amu
04:55amumoin'
04:56jiyuu0the meeting is midnight my time here...
04:56opispooky
04:56opiwe shouldn't call the ghoust of Windows95 then
04:57jiyuu0y that?
04:58jiyuu0been so long since i installed win95
04:58opi;-) I guess that's good
04:58opibad memories fades in time
04:58jiyuu0classic
05:00Simirahehe
05:00Simirait's meeting in one hour, isn't it?
05:00opiemil@rohan:~ $ uptime
05:00opi 17:04:03 up 32 days -- Hoary fits servers, it seems :-)
05:01jiyuu0Simira, yes.. 1 more hour
05:01jiyuu0what's the agenda?
05:01opicheckout Wiki
05:03jiyuu0nothing much stated there
05:03tritiumhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
05:03amuhey opi
05:03jiyuu0just been there
05:04opihi amu, our beloved Kubuntu hacker :-)
05:04opijiyuu0: consider this breezy-cc-kickoff :-)
05:05amukubuntu ? never heard about it ;)
05:05smurfixjiyuu0: Three items should be enough, any one of these can easily fill two hours ...
05:05jiyuu0ic...
05:05jiyuu0ok... i'll stay and watch
05:06opiamu: first phase. denaial.
05:06opi:P
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05:14JaneWI have to go now, I'll read the meeting logs after, enjoy
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05:33\shhey KaiL
05:33KaiLhi \sh
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05:53amumoin \sh
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05:55\shhey amu :)
05:58siretarthi folks :)
05:58PtitOurshi
05:58siretartthe meeting should begin in 2 minutes, right?
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05:59Kamionsiretart: yes
05:59dholbachhey
05:59KaiLno, in 1 :)
05:59siretartgreat! :)
05:59siretartI managed to find some time to attend at least the beginning (about 45min) of this meeting :)
05:59makogreetings all
05:59\shhmmm..strange position for me now
05:59ograyay, mako
06:00makolet me reorder the agenda
06:00makoand get a few things in order first
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06:00afrankehi all
06:00makonote from the last meeting, some stuff for the irc meeting
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06:00makoso give me 3-4 minutes
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06:01ograhard even
06:01ograhey sabdfl
06:01sabdflhi all
06:01pittihey sabdfl
06:01whiprushhey everyone
06:01sabdflmako's just going to get this a little organised then give us the signal to start
06:01\shtake time..my back is paining and now i'm laying with my laptop on my hips...bad for my neck :(
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06:01dholbachhey sabdfl, hey whiprush
06:02opire
06:02opiufff
06:02opiI made it
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06:02ograopi, ping ;)
06:02opiogra, :-)
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06:02opiogra, I had to go back to the office, because I toke the a CD someone else wanted. Had to run to the tramp.
06:03sabdfleverybody recovered from the UduFlu?
06:03mdzI dodged that bullet
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06:03pittiI had already a cold when I came to Sydney, I didn't want another one :-)
06:03opiI wasn't there ;-)
06:03Alessioi''m here
06:04makoalright everyone
06:04makoelmo, Kamion, sabdfl: around?
06:04mdzsabdfl is here
06:04sabdflyup
06:05Kamionhere
06:05elmoyah
06:05makokiller
06:05makothere was a request to handle the new members first
06:05makoi don't see a problem with that
06:05sabdflgo ahead
06:06makomany of these people showed up at the last meeting, where i was the only cc member so couldn't approve them
06:06makoso they may or may not be here this time
06:06makothat can be noted as we go through the list
06:06makolet's work down the list
06:06makoJohnnyMast, you around?
06:06sabdflmaybe we should start by asking folks who are here, who are on the list, to say aye (and give their full names)
06:07ogragood idea
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06:07tritiumaye, Michael Rimbert
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06:07\shaye, Stephan Hermann
06:07afrankecan you explain briefly what this list is?
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06:07makoafranke: it's http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
06:07mdzafranke: people applying for Ubuntu membership
06:07afrankek thx
06:07makoafranke: people who want to become ubuntu members
06:08pittiastharot: Gerardo di Giacomo, please ping
06:08astharotping :)
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06:09makoalright, good to know
06:09makoit still makes sense to go through the list
06:09makoi think
06:09Alessiowhen we start?
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06:09makoAlessio: we've started
06:09Alessioops
06:09KamionAlessio: see scrollback
06:09makojohnny mast? around?
06:09Alessiosorry
06:10makofor the record, i think johnny needs to document his work on ubuntu, it's absolutely unclear from the page
06:10sabdflok
06:10sabdfli make it 7 fols here
06:10mako7 fols?
06:10opi;-)
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06:10dholbachfolks?
06:10Seveasor fools :)
06:10\shfreud? ,-)
06:11siretartlol
06:11ograheh
06:11sabdflerk
06:11KamionI don't see any work on Ubuntu from Johnny, having followed up the links
06:11makosabdfl: right, plus a few who were here for the last meeting
06:11ravehere i am
06:11Kamionso we should probably ask him to come back when that's clarified
06:11sabdfllet's start with the guys who are here now, then the fol(k)s who were here last time
06:11raveask me now
06:11sabdflrave: your name?
06:11Kamionrave: 17:10 < mako> for the record, i think johnny needs to document his work on ubuntu, it's absolutely unclear from the page
06:11dholbachrave is Johnny Mast
06:11raveJohnny :)
06:12sabdflok, let's start there
06:12ravewell yes, thats true
06:12sabdflrave: in considering you for membership we need some idea of the contribution you have made and your plans for Ubuntu
06:12sabdflthats not clear from your page
06:12mdkeis it too late to add names to the list?
06:12makoyeah, it doesn't mean you haven't been a helpful member of the community.. it just means we can't see it :)
06:12sabdflwould you update your page and come back in two weeks?
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06:13ravehmm for sure, i just created the page as a quick impression
06:13ravewith some links to my code and work
06:13makorave: yeah, we need a little more before we grant membership
06:13sabdflrave: membership covers *any* field of contribution, but it needs to be a fairly substantial chunk of work done and planned
06:13makorave: in particular, your code and work on ubuntu
06:13Kamionmight want to stick around and see what other folks who get approved have provided, as a guideline?
06:13sabdflnot just code though - support, bugs, docs, artwork
06:13ravewell im coding 12 hours aday
06:13sabdflok, so focus there :-)
06:13sabdfllet's go on. siretart?
06:14thegreedyturtleas someone who's interested in becoming a memeber, what level of contributing do you look for in members?
06:14sabdflReinhardTartler
06:14siretartsabdfl: sure. im here :)
06:14rave:), i help ppl out in #ubuntu-nl (i try)
06:14opirave, just write a good resume, and I'm sure CC will aprove you :-)
06:14makosabdfl: lets come back to chris schieb after.. he was at the last meeting
06:14ograsabdfl, siretart did a good bunch of motu work already
06:14dholbachsiretart:  did ROCKing work in the MOTU transitions :-)
06:14sabdflthegreedyturtle: "any substantial contribution and a manifesto describing vision for ubuntu going forward"
06:14ravetankz opi
06:14thegreedyturtlethanks
06:15Kamionthegreedyturtle: the bar for membership isn't all that high compared to maintainership - basically a gut feeling that somebody's being useful in the specific context of Ubuntu (in addition to e.g. code written elsewhere)
06:15makosabdfl: we should go through the full list this time because there are people that are not here this time that did come to a CC meeting at a different time
06:15siretartI intend to get my touched packages in hoary in shape for breezy, plus the packages I maintain in debian (2 at this time).
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=== mako is familiar with siretart's work
06:16siretartIn addition to that, I intend concentrate on the game related packages in universe
06:16sabdflmako: let's start with the present people, then cover everyone else
06:16dholbachthe GamesTeam! REJOICE!
06:16ograyay
06:16siretart:)
06:16sabdflsiretart: thank you for your coding time! any other areas you have an interest in?
06:17siretartsabdfl: my personal interests are networking, network security and administration, since I admin a small internet cafe
06:17siretarthttp://chummers.net
06:17dholbachsiretart: you never told us :-)
06:17siretartoh, how could I forget that ;)
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06:18ograbtw, 7 uploads to hoary-changes from siretart looks like a reasonable contribution
06:18makosounds great
06:18sabdflkamion, mako?
06:18Kamionsiretart's wiki page seems reasonable to me having followed up links, I'd ack
06:18sabdfllooks good to me, so that's a majority in the CC, counting mako
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06:19siretartYippie! :)
06:19sabdflany objectsions, privmsg me :-)
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06:19sabdflnone. ok, welcome aboard siretart
06:19opi /m sabdfl no! no! no! ;-)
06:19siretartthanks all :)
06:19\shgrats siretart
06:19makoAlessio: is here
06:20sabdflmako, want to cover him next? nick?
06:20Alessioya
06:20makoi dont think trulux is here. so alessio is next
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06:21diamondhey folks. sorry for being late. didn't think i'd make this one at all, only put my name back in coz mako's mail said... etc
06:21makoAlessio has been active in the italian loco team.
06:21sabdflAlessio: how would you describe the current status on the italian Loco team?
06:21Alessiomy status?
06:21KamionI have to admit to not being able to understand most of the links, but since a lot of them are translations that's probably a good thing :-)
06:21Alessioi'm ubuntitalia.org webmaster
06:22KamionAlessio: Mark's also asking for how the team as a whole is getting on, I think
06:22Alessioand i have translate howto on wiki
06:22makowe all know there were issues in teh past
06:22sabdflAlessio: how is the italian team coming together?
06:22Alessioi think that the team works
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06:23Alessiothe docs grows up
06:23sabdflok. is there a coordinated ubuntu translation team for italian yet?
06:23Alessioyes
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06:23sabdflwho's involved there?
06:23Alessiomdke is the coordinator
06:23sabdflcool! are you guys using rosetta at all?
06:24Alessioyes
06:24mdkeyes
06:24sabdflok
06:24sabdflAlessio: plans for future contribution? where would you like to see Ubuntu get to?
06:25sabdflmaybe we should ask everyone else here who is on the list to think up a few sentences describing their contribution, and plans going forward
06:25Alessiofuture for me is: help italian people to meet Ubuntu :)
06:25makoadvocacy is important
06:26sabdfldo you guys hold regular advocacy meetings?
06:26coastGNUAlessio: Any plans for local team meetings and workshops?
06:26Alessioyes
06:26Alessionow is only a plan
06:26makoAlessio: where in particular are you?
06:27Alessioin italy?
06:27makowell, meetings can be come impracticle with a team as big as an italian team
06:27Alessionera rimini/riccione
06:27Alessio*near
06:27makocool
06:27Alessio;)
06:27makoFWIW, alessio asked me and i told him to apply for membreship
06:28makoalessio and i have been in touch on a number of different things related to advocacy, translation, and ubuntu in italy for the last couple months
06:28makoand i'll be happy to see him as a member
06:28Kamionok, fine by me
06:28sabdflok, me too
06:28sabdflwelcome aboard
06:28makoAlessio: welcome
06:28sabdflwho's next!
06:28Alessiothanks you ;)
06:29\shAlessio: congrats :)
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06:29truluxhi fellows
06:29sabdflhey trulux
06:29Alessiothank you
06:29sabdflwhiprush?
06:29whiprushI'm here.
06:29truluxhey sabdfl
06:29jiyuu0just read this... no wonder backports is so slow
06:29jiyuu0http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33307
06:30makofor the record, alessio said he had to go at 1630UTC :)
06:30truluxpitti: going to push a lot of stuff to the CVS, tomorrow I will get a new TFT monitor, so, I'll be able to test things more quickly
06:30makogood timing
06:30dredgwe dare not speak of them by name. b*ckp*rts.
06:30mdkeeugh
06:30opidredg, f*k*p*ts
06:30sabdfllet's get to whiprush next
06:30ograTheFridge !!
06:31dholbachyes :-)
06:31dredgcrackports is also acceptable
06:31whiprushI think I met everyone at UDU.
06:31Kamioncan somebody explain what TheFridge actually is? :-) jdub was very evasive
06:31sabdflwhiprush: thanks for making a solid contribution in sydney
06:31whiprushthanks for having me. :)
06:31makoKamion: it's EVERYTHING
06:31Kamionah, I see the udu.wiki web page is more useful now
06:31ograKamion, something you can pin your notes on with little magnets :)
06:31makoKamion: it's a portal.. news.ubuntu.com with a goofier name
06:31Lathiatogra: :)
06:31pittimako: live, the universe, and the fridge?
06:32ograyeah
06:32makoKamion: but the name will change if i have anything to do with it.. not to news
06:32dholbachogra: would you pass me another VB? :-)
06:32ogralol
06:32sabdflit's the only piece that didn't fit into the kitchen sink
=== robitaille like the name "The Fridge"
06:32makoso anywya.. whiprush want to summarize your contributions and where you want to go
=== dholbach liked pantsoff.ubuntu.com as well :-)
06:32whiprushsure.
06:32whiprushcurrently I haven't done much coding work, though long term plan is to be an MOTU, depending on my work cycles.
06:33whiprushMy current goal for breezy is the fridge.
06:33Kamionso you're mostly in the advocacy camp at the moment?
06:33whiprushand having a lab for the ltsp gentlemen to test their stuff for breezy.
06:33whiprushyes.
06:33Kamionok, cool
06:33whiprushI'm the "local ubuntu guy" at the university.
06:33Kamionwhat's take-up at the uni like?
06:34sabdflwhiprush: will you help us coordinate the ubuntu world tour and ubuntu nations?
06:34whiprushand there's about 4-5 strong loco guys here in detroit, we meet regularly and teach each other stuff, etc. etc.
06:34whiprushyes.
06:34whiprushwe're kind of a subset of an existing lug so we meet fairly often
06:34sabdflok. that, and TheFridge, would be a great contribution
06:34sabdflmako, kamion, elmo?
06:34Kamionhttp://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu/ -> 403 Forbidden, hmm
06:35whiprushit doesn't serve anything
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06:35whiprushthat's just the address to the mirror
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06:35Kamionah, I was about to ask you what kind of bandwidth it churns out
06:35makoi'm happy with whiprush's contribution as qualification for membershi
06:35elmothis is for member? if so, ack
06:35ograand btw, MOTU would be happy to see whiprush joining us :)
06:35Kamionbut yeah, ack for member, chatting aside
06:35sabdflok, welcome aboard whiprush!
06:35dholbachwoohoo!
06:35mdzwhiprush: congratulations
06:35whiprushwoo, thanks everyone.
=== ogra yays for whiprush
06:36pitticongrats, whiprush
06:36sabdflnext? astharot?
06:36siretartwhiprush: grats!
06:36\shapplause for whiprush
06:36KaiLopi: impossible, try memtext ;)
06:36astharotI'm here
06:36pittiastharot supplies universe security updates at an amazing pace
06:36sabdflhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GerardoDiGiacomo
06:36siretartwell folks, sadly, but I have to leave now :( - see ya soon! bye!
06:36sabdflastharot: is security your main focus and interest?
06:36dholbachbye siretart, see you!
06:36ograciao siretart
06:36pittiand learned a lot
06:37afrankebye siretart
06:37astharotsabdfl: mainly yes...
06:37sabdflcheers siretart and welcome
06:37pittiI'd like to see him as universe security MOTU
06:37astharotin this moment, yes :)
06:37astharot*at
06:37elmoI'm happy to ack him for maintainer, based on ubuntu-security
06:37ograpitti++
06:37sabdflelmo: tell the TB :-)
06:38Kamionthe wiki page doesn't go much into Ubuntu specifics, but I'm certainly happy with pitti's recommendation; ack for member
06:38sabdflastharot: what's zone-h all about?
06:38makoi'm not hugely familiar to his work but am happy to go off of his recommendations so far
06:38astharotsabdfl: what do you want to know about zone-h ?
06:38Kamionsince we massively need universe security :-)
06:38makomembership++
06:38ograKamion+++
06:38sabdflastharot: nothing
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06:39astharotmako: check security-review archives... you'll find some security patches
=== mako nods
06:39sabdflok, i'm happy on the membership front too - which is mako, kamion, elmo, me, a full house
06:40makoastharot: welcome
06:40sabdflwelcome aboard astharot!
06:40astharotthanks a lot guys ;)
06:40ograyeah
06:40dholbach:-)
06:40whiprushyay!
06:40sabdflastharot: i'm interested to hear about zone-h so please privmsg me about it
=== pitti gives astharot high five
06:40Lathiatkeep it up astharot :)
06:40makoalright
06:40sabdflalso, keen to hear if you think we should organise a full security audit of parts of universe
06:40astharotsabdfl: now?
06:40Kamionmm, ok, security-reviews@ is full of detail :-)
06:41sabdflastharot: whenever suits you
06:41sabdflnext!
06:41makorobitaille: hey dude
06:41makorobitaille: you're up
06:41robitailleI'm here
06:41makorobitaille: want to give us the 2 setance version of your contributions so far
06:41sabdflrobitaille: first class web page - thank you!
06:41robitailleI have a background in system admin, and as such I have been trying to provide
06:42ograbus loads of bugs and fixes ;)
06:42sabdflit very clearly states the work you've been involved in and makes it easy for us to form an opinion
06:42robitaillesupport on both the mailing list, a bit on the IRC channel and doing bug triage
06:42sabdflwe should use this one as an example of how to do it really well
06:42makome agrees with sabdfl on that one
06:43makorobitaille has also posted loads of good information on sounder
06:43robitailleAnd recently I have been told that I should look in The Fridge
06:43makolinks to press, etc
06:43ograand to ubuntu-users
06:43makorobitaille: dude, quite saying that name. it's gotta change :)
06:43makorobitaille: but yes, you should :)
06:43whiprushFridge!
06:43ogramako, really ?
06:43sabdflwhiprush is a bot now
06:43robitailleI like that name!  But I sent jdub  as bunch of other names
06:43makorobitaille: awesome
06:43Kamionon a scattergun check, the bug report contributions seem very frequent and useful to me
06:44sabdflrobitaille: have you been in touch with bradb at all?
06:44KamionI'm impressed
06:44robitailleno
06:44sabdflrobitaille: i'm sure he would like to hear your suggestions for malone
06:44makofor the record, i'd be happy to approve robitaille just on his support and community activity alone
06:44ograyay
06:44makoand ai am
06:44dholbachrobitaille: congratulations! :-)
06:44makoso yeah, that's my vote
06:45sabdflkamion, elmo?
06:45Kamionrobitaille++
06:45sabdfli'm thrilled to say +1 from me too
06:45Kamion(people with energy)++ too ;-)
06:45robitaillethanks guys!
06:45sabdflso that's a majority and welcome aboard!
06:45\shgrats robitaille
06:45mako\sh: you're up
06:46sabdflrobitaille: you've set an excellent pace for others to follow, i really appreciate it, thank you!
06:46\shmako: i saw it coming :)
06:46makorobitaille: welcome, thanks for all
06:46mako\sh: you know the routine
06:46ogra\sh, does a lot for the kubuntu side of the world
06:46\shwell...for sure...
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06:47ograi think amu or mvo could say more here....
06:47\shok..somethin about me: old linux guy 11 years now...working for several other distris and quite interessted in OSS at all
06:47sabdfl\sh: tell me a little about your interest in SIP and VoIP?
06:47Riddell\sh: is promising us pykde packages, which would be excellent
06:47\shsabdfl: yes, I'm in IM communications like jabber/xmpp or SIP
06:48\shsabdfl: right now, I'm helping thom in his SER packaging and configuration for ubuntu
06:48sabdfl\sh: ShtoomVoip would be awesome if we could get it out of the box on Breezy
06:48\shsabdfl: running at least my jabber servers on ubuntu :) and trying to work on pyqt/pykde stuff with mvo
06:48Lathiatyes, shtoom is good, altho it still needed a little love to make usefull last check (dtmf didnt work, etc)
06:49opi\sh, will you take over Jabberd packages? :)
06:49\shsabdfl: I have experiences in this issue, cause I was working with a couple of guys for gentoo on it
06:49sabdfli'm not fussy - though i prefer a python-based solution for bigotry reasons
06:49sabdfl\sh: ssshhhh, elmo is around
06:49mvosabdfl: \sh wants to work on pyqt/pykde based package managment tools
06:49ograsabdfl, lol
06:49sabdflexcellent
06:49\shopi: glad to :) i made some changes to run it better as it is in the package right now
06:49sabdfl\sh: your bug table is very cool
06:49opi\sh, would love to see it
06:50\shsabdfl: thx :)
06:50\shopi: in my local repos are some other things for jabberd2 i would like to attend the movement from jabberd1 to v2
06:50\shwell...after all, I'm up to do some work for "ubuntu on servers"
06:51mako\sh: excellent!
06:51\shdatacenter ubuntu or whatever you will call it :)
06:51ogra\sh, switching ISH GmbH over ?
06:51dholbachthe MOTUServerTeam :-)
06:51ograyeah
06:51\shogra: I'm waiting for the cds yes :)
06:51ograhehe
06:51dredgit would be pretty sweet if plesk/cpanel/directadmin/etc provided ubuntu support
06:51\shogra: and thx that u pulled me into this big adventure :)
06:51ogra:)
06:52makoawesome.. well i'm willing to approve
=== dredg will bludgeon them gently
06:52amu\sh: hrhrh no chance you're owned by kubuntu ;)
06:52opiI'm all over \sh membership :)
06:52sabdfl\sh gets a +1 from me, based on his wiki page, past contributions and restaurant recommendations
06:52\shahaha :)
06:52ogralol
06:52dholbachhahaha :-)
06:52Lathiathaha
06:52\shsabdfl: i hope u agree with me :)
06:52mdzdid somebody mention food?
06:52afrankelol
06:52\shmdz: visit durban :)
06:52Kamionwhat sabdfl said, apart possibly from the restaurant recommendations, which I don't expect will be useful to me any time soon. :-) ack
06:52sabdflmdz: don't forget to eat again
=== mvo giggles
06:53ogra*G*
06:53opimako, btw: note launchd thread in upcomming Ubuntu-T
06:53sabdflmdz: alternatively, don't forget to put the q-tips in your ears before showering, we don't want another drain inceident, ok
06:53makoopi: lets talk about this after teh meeting
06:53opimako, sure, it's just poped up in my head. I'll e-mail you the url ;)
06:53mdza what?
06:53ogralol
06:53sabdflmako, elmo: up or needs-more-time on \sh?
06:53makois there anyone here that we have no covered yet?
06:53makosabdfl: i gave my approval first
06:53Kamionsabdfl: 17:52 < mako> awesome.. well i'm willing to approve
06:54tritiummako, me
06:54diamondmako: i
06:54sabdflmako: sorry, missed it
06:54makotritium: alright, jump in
06:54elmoI'm happy to ack too
06:54sabdflok, that looks like quorum
06:54sabdfl\sh: welcome aboard!
06:54sabdflthis party is getting interesting
06:54\shthx guys :) I'm honoured to work with u :)
=== ogra gives high five to \sh
06:55whiprushwoo!
06:55dholbach\sh: it's a pleasure to have you around
06:55\shogra: re^5 :)
06:55tritiummako, okay, I was given the TB approval before the last CC
06:55sabdflmako: want to run through the folks who were here last week?
06:55\shogra: we will have a nice meeting at ogra's inn next month, i et :)
06:55sabdfltritium: which is your wiki page url?
06:55ogratritium is tecnically already a MOTU with no membership....
06:55tritiumhttp://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MichaelRimbert
06:56sabdfltritium: my apologies
06:56tritiumI have recently been an op in #ubuntu, at the request of bob2 and crimsun
06:56amu\sh: ogra's inn, that sounds great
06:56makotritium: right, definitely
06:56ograheh
06:56dholbachhe does good work and plays nicely with the MOTU team
06:56Kamionhow's #ubuntu doing? it's had a number of problems over the last several months
06:56tritiumI'm also converting the faculty here at Debian's birthplace (Purdue) to ubuntu
06:56makoKamion: that's later on the agneda :)
06:56Kamiongetting it back under some semblance of control would be good :-)
06:56tritiumFinally, my main interest computing interests are in the science/math/education area.  I am developing a Digital Signal Processing curriculum using python and matplotlib, rather than the traditional Matlab (or octave).
06:57Kamionmako: so it is
06:57makotritium: yes.. lets finish with diamond and tritium since they are both still here
06:58makosabdfl: ^^
06:58tritiumsabdfl, no apologies necessary, but thank you :)
06:58makoalright.. i'm happy with tritiums contributions so far
06:58makomembership++ from me for sure
06:58rave:)
06:59elmome too
06:59Kamionack on the basis of bugs / MOTU work, we can talk about #ubuntu stuff later on
06:59sabdfl+1 from me too, based on past work. tritium, which areas are you most interested in going forward?
06:59sabdflso tritium's in - congrats!
06:59tritiumThank you :-)
06:59ograhooray
06:59makoawesome
06:59\shgrats tritium
06:59makodiamond: hey there
06:59dholbachYESYESYES!
07:00tritiumsabdfl, I intend to continue with scientific computing and education tools
07:00diamondmako: shall i attempt the 2 sentence blurb?
07:00makodiamond: please
07:00dholbach*snigger* Stephen "Captain Pedantic Pants" Shirley :-)
07:00sabdfldiamond: go for it
07:01dredgdholbach: you have no idea
07:01dredgdholbach: he even has the tshirt
07:01diamondmako: ok. so far, i was involved in the universe ftbfs squashing, pointed out random additions do Kamion's wiki page, attempted to arrange hea.net as an official irish ubuntu mirror (tho i'm not sure where that went ,-)
07:01ogradiamond already helped at MOTU targets
07:02diamondin the future, i'd like to work on better kerberos integration, more flexible auth mechanisms, ssl for everything
07:02makoogra, dholbach: what is your verdict so far? go ahead or wait two weeks?
07:02sabdfldiamond: what's your wiki page?
07:02Kamionhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/StephenShirley
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07:02diamondKamion: cheers
07:02dredgdiamond: actually, re heanet, i'm poking at mirrors@ for other things right now. i'll follow up about ie.*.ubuntu
07:02diamonddredg: thanks
07:02sabdfllooks great to me
07:02diamonddredg: tho the mirrors team is waiting for a reply from ubuntu ,-)
07:02ogramako, a good contribution so far
07:03makoawesome
07:03dredgdiamond: ah. well, i'm about to head to SAGE, i'll annoy someone there :)
07:03diamondsince the hoary release i've been taking a breather, but i intend to be more involved from about now on
07:03Kamiondiamond's been in touch with me off and on for some time about miscellaneous things, and the list of contributions looks good; ack
07:03ogramako, so my vote is a "go ahead"
07:03sabdfldiamond: which areas interest you most?
=== mako votes ++
07:04Kamiondiamond: it'd be good to have someone competent to work on improved Kickstart support for auth methods like krb5
07:04makodiamond: that's 3.. welcome
07:04diamondsabdfl: i'm a sys admin for the comp soc in the university of limerick where i'm a student. anything that helps me run a cluster of machines securely interests me -)
07:04diamondmako: can i sit down now? -)
07:04sabdflok, sounds good, welcome aboard!
07:04makodiamond: maybe not :)
07:04makodiamond: yes :)
07:04ograheh
07:04diamondwoo. thanks guys -)
07:04dholbachROCK, congratulations diamond :-)
07:04makotrulux: you showed after roll call
07:04makobut you're here
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07:04sabdfldiamond: fabionne is interested to get clustering bits into the breezy kernel
07:04ogracongrats diamond
07:04makotrulux: want to do the two sentance introduction?
07:04sabdflso you may want to collaborate with him on that
07:05truluxmako: sure
07:05makoUnfrgiven: you around too?
07:05makotrulux: go ahead
07:05diamondsabdfl: ah. i should clarify, by cluster i just mean distributed services, not beowulf stuff, sorry
07:05sabdflah, ok
07:06truluxHi, I'm Lorenzo Hernndez Garca-Hierro and I'm here as of my willing to get the membership status within the UBuntu Linux project. My wishes to the project are to give the best of myself in those fields which I can contribute and help more, to coordinate and organize UBuntu Hardened activies and to help in anything else needed.
07:07sabdfltrulux: have you taken any concrete steps with Ubuntu hardened?
07:07sabdfland do you see your main contribution as being in the code area, or elsewhere?
07:07Kamiondid the recent ubuntu-hardened "discussion" settle down in the end? I was too busy at the time of the IRC meeting to watch
07:07truluxsabdfl: right, those are specified in some wiki pages and currently I'm finishing a definitive specification to be discussed well
07:08pittitrulux: would you be willing to implement the ProactiveSecurityRoadmap?
07:08truluxKamion: right, everything is clear now and things were well discussed and even decided
07:08sabdflvery cool
07:08pittitrulux: there are some easy targets, would be cool if we could settle some of them soon; then you have some real uploads to show off
07:08truluxpitti: of course, yes. I must say that part of the existing one is now part of the Ubuntu Hardened spec as a whole
07:08makotrulux: great.. you've been talking to mdz and to ajmitch_?
07:08Kamiontrulux: ok, that's good to hear; hope we won't have that situation again :)
07:09mdzI have not been very available to talk recently
07:09truluxmako: mdz was present at the meeting and ajmitch knows well on the SELinux related work within Ubuntu Hardened
07:09truluxmdz: right, no problems
07:09mdztrulux has prepared some fairly detailed plans for what we need to do in order to implement SELinux within Ubuntu
07:09makotrulux: right, but kamion and i were both present at the meeting but that really only means we were idling in the channel
07:09sabdfltrulux: do you have a page on the wiki?
07:10truluxfor those interested in the meeting that toke place at #ubuntu-hardened, the log is available at http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/ubuntu/rfc-1.txt
07:10truluxsabdfl: yes
07:10makotrulux: cool
07:10truluxsabdfl: lemme get the direct link...
07:10Kamionmako: point of information, I wasn't, although trulux did invite me
07:10mdztrulux: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/SELinux is primarily your work (and ajmitch's), yes?
07:10makoKamion: ok.. i was, but i was just idling in the channel :)
07:10truluxmdz: yes, I've noted where ajmitch_ did some work like in the coreutils package
07:11mdztrulux: though, you seem to have marked things 'Done' which are not yet complete
07:12truluxhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LorenzoHernandezGarciaHierro
07:12truluxmdz: no, those Done things are done from our side, that means, patches and packages work and have bene tested
07:12truluxmdz: not necessary mean they're already implemented
07:13sabdfltrulux: looks like very interesting work!
07:13truluxsabdfl: many thanks, I just try to help
07:13makohas anyone worked with trulux and wants to offer a testimonial
07:13sabdflwe won't move SELinux to Ubuntu/main until it's really ready for end-user primetime, but it's fantastic to have community interest and experimentation on that front
07:14pittito be honest, I'd like to defer his application for a few weeks until trulux actually uploaded some packages
07:14pittibut he is very eager and competent, would be cool to have him on board eventually
07:14truluxsabdfl: well, as it's explained in the new spec and the meeting log, packages can be ready for selinux support with no impact. if SELinux is not enabled at boot time, they will just work ignoring the selinux-related code
07:14sabdflok, seems reasonable
07:15sabdflbut we'll have some cool support for derivatives, and we can turn it ALL on there and see how it works out
07:15sabdflthen move it into main when it's tested
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07:15truluxmako: tritium, dholbach, herve, tseng, ajmitch_ , maybe more
07:15truluxhey zul
07:15zulhey
07:15sabdfltrulux: we're keen to have you on board as a full member, but want to work a bit longer with you before that happens
07:15sabdflsound reasonable?
07:15mdztrulux: filing a bug in bugzilla is not 'Done'; marking it Done reduces the likelihood of someone looking at it
07:16truluxsabdfl: yes
07:16makoalright then, sounds good
07:16sabdflok cool
07:16mdzbut let's talk about this elsewhere
07:16makoSOOO
07:16sabdflmako: what's up next?
07:16pittiI'll try to make some time to work with him
07:16truluxmdz: I apologize of not noting that well
07:16makowe've got people who were at the last meeting but are not here this time
07:16dholbachi didnt work that closely with trulux yet
07:16makonot too many fortunately
07:16Kamionpitti: that would be valuable, yeah
07:16makochris scheib
07:16makoschweeb: around?
07:16truluxdholbach: right
07:16tritiumI have worked with trulux on some of his papers, mostly LaTeX issues.
07:17makodholbach, ogra: want to speak up for schweeb?
07:17dholbachhe did rocking work in the LastMinuteFixes :-)
07:17ograschweeb has done the gsf-sharp package together with jdub for MOTU
07:17ogra(gsf-sharp is a important piece for mono and beagle in main)
07:18ograthumbs up from my side
07:18dholbachand he takes care of the nice atmosphere in the MOTU channel  -  good to have him in the team
07:18makohe seemed interested and active last meeting
07:18makoi had no problems with him them.. don't know
07:18sabdflso he's actively uploading to universe?
07:18dholbachsabdfl: through other MOTUs
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07:18ograsabdfl, not yet
07:18Kamionschweeb: Has anyone asked you about doing automatic testing bits with Xen?
07:19whiprushhe's just logging, new job, can't irc from there.
07:19Kamion(if the answer is "about a million times", sorry I'm behind)
07:19Kamionah, ok
07:19makohe's very idle
07:19sabdflis he active in the DetroitLoco team?
07:20ograwhiprush knows him personally...
07:20makowhiprush ?
07:20whiprushyes
07:20mako19:19 < sabdfl> is he active in the DetroitLoco team?
07:20whiprushyes, he is.
07:20makoschweeb that is
07:20whiprushmetallikop and I work with him regularly.
07:22sabdflif ogra and dholbach really want him to be uploading in MOTU, and he made it to the previous CC meeting, then I'm happy
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07:22ogra++ for uploading
07:23ogra(but we discuss memebership)
07:23ogra++ for membership
07:23dholbachhe absolutely deserves membership
07:23sabdflmako? kamion? elmo? thumbs-up or need-more-time on schweeb
07:23makoyes, ++ i said it way early
07:23elmoack
07:24Kamionack
07:24Kamion(based on MOTU recommendations)
07:24dholbachwoohoo!
07:24sabdflok, done... in absentia, welcome schweeb!
07:24sabdflnext up?
07:24makoi'm a having a little trouble reading my handwriting.. but motaboy was not here
07:24makojon dodson WAS
07:25makohe's been a major forums contributor
07:25makoloads of posts, lots of support work
07:25makohe's also submitted a bunch of original work to Ubuntu traffic
07:25sabdfllots of activity in the forums, lots of energy
07:25makoshould definitely be pulled into the notfridge
07:26makocheck out his page
07:26whiprushheh
07:26dholbachthe! fridge!
07:26sabdflplus, he also started on a VIC20
07:26ograyay
07:26sabdfl+1 from me, based on substantial community participation
07:26ograme too
07:26zulthats nothing :)
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07:27ograzul, couldnt convince my parents to a zx81 ;)
07:27smurfixsabdfl: ... and that's supposed to be an advantage?  ;-)   (the VIC20 thing, that is)
07:27ograheh
07:27zulogra: heh we were doing logo in grade 1
07:27Lathiathaha
07:27sabdflthat's where the HoaryGaming instinct must have come from. Frogger Rules!
07:27ograyeah
07:27\shsmurfix: don't discuss about a vic20 :) I and ds@nwu.de puzzled your uisdn config ;)
07:27sabdflothers on CC?
07:28smurfix\sh: That feels like even more ancient history to me ...
07:28sabdflmako, kamion, elmo, decision on JonDodson?
07:28makoi vote in favor
07:29elmoack
07:29\shsmurfix: well...the time for SPVs and teles card inside a small cyrix box and uisdn...better that INS' banzai router :) long time ago
07:29Kamionno objections, although I haven't had a chance to follow up the links yet, so kind of +0 so far :)
07:29makook.. kassetra was also present last time
07:29sabdflok, so yes to JonDodson
07:30sabdflalso seems like a very strong community participation from Kassetra
07:31makoyeah, a similar sort of thing
07:31makothis is part due to conversations between ryan troy and myself
07:31makoabout bringin the ubuntu community and forums community closer together
07:31makomembership for major forums admins and moderators, etc
07:31sabdflinviting forums guys to become members - great idea
07:31sabdflis ryan himself a member yet?
07:31Kamionthe local government work sounds cool, I'd be interested to hear more about that
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07:32makono.. but i, not so subtly suggested he do ddo it for the next meeting :)
07:32makoso he will be
07:32sabdfllots of diverse threads initiated and touched on
07:33makoabsolutely..
07:33sabdflcool, +1 from me based on community participation. these guys will have a very good finger on the pulse of the end user community, very helpful
07:33coastGNUsabdfl: On the long run inviting forum guys to become members might be no good idea. CC will grow so will the forums what on the long run will make it hard to coordinate such a big group.
07:33mako+1 from me too
07:33makoelmo, Kamion: ?
07:33makofinally.. travis newman
07:33ogracoastGNU, we'll manage it, dont worry :)
07:33makopanickedthumb, around?
07:33sabdflcoastGNU: these guys are not joining the CC, they are becoming members, and membership is open to anybody who makes a substantial input into the project, in any area, and does it with charm and flair :-)
07:33Kamionack, would like to hear more about the advocacy bits
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07:34makoi can invite kassetra to the next CC meeting
07:34sabdflso that's a firm yes to Kassetra
07:34diamondclarification of my irc whois name now on wiki page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/StephenShirley
07:34Lathiathaha
07:34mdkei added my name very late to the list
07:35mdkehope that's ok
07:35sabdflmdke: wiki page?
07:35makomdke: sure.. we'll get to you last
07:35coastGNUsabdfl: OK, muddled CC and membership. so forget what I said.
07:35makosabdfl: the cc agenda
07:35mdkemako, thanks
07:35sabdflmatthew east?
07:35sabdflok
07:35makoyes
07:35mdkeyes
07:35makoso travis newman
07:35makoalso not here now, also there before
07:35dholbachthe moin-izer :-)
07:35sabdflmdke: you've done really superlative work in the wiki
07:36makoi've been working with travis since basically last september
07:36makohe's been involved in a ton of community work
07:36makowriting things, working on the forums, support etc
07:36makoa great example of non-code contributions
07:36mdkesabdfl, ty
07:37makoas far as i'm concerned, panickedthumb++
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07:37KamionTravis looks good to me; I wonder how much of UBAD exists yet
07:38sabdflmako: +1 on travis newman
07:38sabdfli'm really keen to get UBAD onto launchpad as soon as possible!
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07:38makosabdfl: it's simple enough it would be a good candidate to start off with
07:38makoso.. i think that's my list of people who were here last time
07:38makoso..
07:39makomdke: you're up
07:39mdkemako, hi
07:39makomdke: your reputation preceeds you
07:39mdkenice of you to say so
07:39sabdflmdke: you've more than earned a place on the team already, i'm interested in your vision going forwards
07:39makobut go ahead, do the 2 liner for those of us whose wiki page you have not redone in moin
07:39mdkeLOL
07:40sabdflmdke: if I ever need one, I definitely want you as *my* lawyer
07:40mdkeok i work in the documentation team and the italian team. I've been working on the wiki, and on getting translations of the documentation together
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07:40mdkesabdfl, don't tell me you don't have one
07:41sabdflmdke: squads, but thus far fortunately at a relatively long arms length
07:41mdke*grins*
07:41makosabdfl: *if*
07:41makosabdfl: i'm suprised you don't have one following you around ;)
07:41Lathiatheheh
07:41ogra*g*
07:41mdkemaybe he does, but doesn't know about it
07:41makoi'm also suprised i don't have one following me around
07:41sabdflmdke: what would you say is the biggest challenge for ubuntu going forward, that you are interested in?
07:41mdkehmm
07:41sabdflmako: thats a private detective, it's different
07:42mdkesabdfl, to be honest my approach so far has been to wait for a problem which presents itself, and trying to help
07:42mdkesabdfl, i think the consensus in the documentation team at the moment is that Ubuntu's "user-friendlyness" is not yet manifested in the documentation
07:42sabdflare you based in the uk?
07:42mdkeyes
07:42sabdfland the italian interest?
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07:43mdkei have a personal attachment to italy
07:43sabdflmako: think hard. you only get one bullet
07:43zulmako: is it me :)
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07:43mdkesabdfl, i spent some time there, and my g/f is italian
07:43sabdflok. +1 on mdke from me, based on tremendous wiki work
07:44makojust to be contrary, because thi smeeting is long, +1 based on local team work and helping create a good loco team model
07:44dholbachmdke++
07:44Kamionmdke's been doing loads of good stuff for ages. +1
07:44makomdke: welcome dude
07:44mdkethanks very much
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07:44makoalright, anyone else here for membership that we've missed?
07:44mdkelemme know what I need to do
07:44makoMARATHON
07:44makogoing once..
07:44makogoing twice..
07:45mdkehang on
07:45sabdflSOLD! errr..
07:45ogramarathon ? where's jordi ?
07:45mdkejerome was on the list
07:45ograoh, yes, jerome
07:45mdkei think this is night time for him tho
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07:45makoright.. he should be able to make the next one
07:45dholbachyes, should be
07:45makowe all spent a lot of time talking to him a couple weeks ago
07:45sabdflmako: do we have the IncrediblyTimeshiftingCCSchedule?
07:45makosabdfl: not as incredible as it used to be
07:46Simiraso, you're putting the cc-meeting on the other side of the hours again next time, eh? I was hoping to attend then, but...
07:46makosabdfl: the cc members weren't making the 5am meeting :)
07:46makoit will shift.. but not to anything INSANE for the uk
07:46Lathiatstupid timezones
07:46makoor else we don't have quorum
07:46sabdfl*cough*
07:46sabdflok
07:46Simirauk time is fine with me
07:46\shwell
07:46makobut it may be morning or latish night for the uk
07:46\shwe're all UTC ;) only the daylight is different ;)
07:47sabdflwhen shall we freaks meet again?
07:47makotwo weeks
07:47makobut we have two other itmes!
07:47makofirst
07:47makorelatively quickies
07:47makoIRC
07:47makohttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
07:47Simiranice tool for communication
07:47makobob2 and daniels and some community members and i sat down to work through some stuff at udu
07:48ograSimira, pretty broken recently through trolls....
07:48makoand we followed up on the last resolution to suggest some new operators for the #ubuntu channel
07:48makoeveryone should take a look at that document...
07:48LathiatEverytime i goto #ubuntu i get sucked in helping for like 2 or 3 hours because so many people give out wrong information :\
07:48tritiumI'm helping out with ops when I can, but if I get disconnected, I have to wait for somebody to give me ops again
07:48\shwell
07:48makoand we should appoint some new operators now.. some have already been appointed
07:48\shif I can say something to this very common problem?
07:48makoso, here is the list of people that were nominated:
07:48Kamiontritium: can be sorted out with chanserv
07:48\shthis happens for years
07:49tritiumKamion, yes (ChanServer kicked me out Sunday night, for example)
07:49makocrimsun, tritium, ajmitch_, carlk, amaranth, dholbach, ogra
07:49Kamiontritium: I mean if you're on the access list ...
07:49makoalso, all cc members should be listed as operators
07:49SimiraI didn't realize there were so much trolls on #ubuntu
07:49\shand the only thing you can do...is to split up the chan into several, with a max of users for one channel...the rest does chanserv and ops for chanserv
07:49tritiumKamion, right
07:49sabdflwhos carlk?
07:49makoso that if nobody else is around, they can be called in
07:49Lathiat\sh: that sucks because you get divison of knowledge
07:50makosabdfl: someone who is very helpful and active on #ubuntu
07:50sabdflok
07:50ograsabdfl, he posts a lot in ubuntu-users
07:50KamionCarl Karsten, I'm guessing
07:50mdkeSimira, its full of em :/
07:50Simiramako: does that go for all of the mentioned?
07:50makoSimira: yes
07:50sabdfli'm happy to appoint community ops
07:50\shLathiat: well, I'm using irc for more then 10 years now...and trolls and fights you will have in any situation
07:51sabdflthink we've seen good stuff from all of them, be great if they are willing to take on the ops challenge too
07:51Lathiat\sh: yes, but if people who are around who can deal with them, it helps
07:51makothis is in addition to the current ops
07:51Seveasindeed, but decent ops can control a lot..
07:51makowe should make sure we always have a few people in the channel with ops
07:51LathiatWe should try get a good time zone coverage i fpossible
07:51\shLathiat: it's not a faulty protocol, the people have bugs (sometimes)
07:51sabdfldo we refer people to the CoC in the topic?
07:51makosabdfl: we have in the past.. not sure if it is done right now
07:51mdkegood idea
07:51\shLathiat: punishment increases the trolling mode
07:51dholbachi'd be happy, if somebody else would take over my place as a #ubuntu op
07:51makodholbach: are you not active on the channel?
07:51lamontsabdfl: no comment about CoC in the current topic
07:51tritiumI agree.  Also, maybe clearing up misconceptions about backports and ubuntuguide
07:51dholbachi'm not in there that often
07:51Lathiat\sh: You need the right people to handle the situations
07:51mdketritium, +++++++++
07:52Kamionwe can never totally eliminate trolling on IRC, but we can do a lot better than we're currently doing
07:52LathiatI've used irc alot
07:52Lathiatbeen an irc op etc
07:52makodholbach: ok
07:52Lathiatyou need to try discourage people
07:52dholbachmako: thank you
07:52Simiramako: I'll be happy to do a job there. I'm not much on #ubuntu because I mostly manage on my own, but I can give some support. I'm planning on trying to become an ubuntu-member in couple of weeks or so. Though I think the ones you have mentioned are nice people, and active.
07:52Lathiatand appropriate kickbanning etc as needed
07:52Lathiatbut if you can shut them up without that, it helps, otherwise you get ban avoidance, etc
07:52makoSimira: the most important thing is now finding people who are active on the channel
07:52ograSimira, grab dholbachs place
07:52\shLathiat: the easiest way to handle this situation is to have an irc admin who can "punish" those guys the hardway...serverbans etc.
07:52makoin most cases, just having someone with ops say "hey, mind the CC is enough"
07:52makosorry
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07:52makothe CoC
07:52Lathiat\sh: that doesnt really help any more than a kickban
07:53makoright, if you are interested in volunteer, please talk to me afterward
07:53makowe can vet everyone right now
07:53Simiramako: I can choose to be. As I'm on a sick leave on 80%, I'm mostly at home in front of the computer anyway.
07:53makosorry.. can't
07:53Lathiatmako: what are the 'requirements'
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07:53makowe can't have the "i should be ops" discussion right now
07:53ogramako, i'm not that active anymore, i'm more -devel -motu centric recently, but being around to clearify a situation should be enough, no ?
07:53Lathiatlike, i am not an ubuntu member, but i spend alot of time on irc and helping people around the place and would be willing to help take care...
07:53makolets talk afterwards if you want to be ops
07:53makofor the moment, lets please just handle the CURRENT list of proposals
07:53\shLathiat: well...hope it works :) i'd seen networks going down because of trolls...complete communities broke up
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07:54Lathiatrighton, moving on...
07:54makodoes anyone have any problem with the people on that list?
07:54makoit's not complete? it's just the first stap and getting more ops in there
07:54tritiummako, if I may point out one thing...
07:54makotritium: yes, yes
07:54Lathiatlooking at what time/zones are covered might be an idea
07:54KamionI'm happy with everyone on the current list at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat; I know them all and they're all reasonable people. I think they should have to accept the nomination, though. :-)
07:54makoDUDE, UBUNTU CDS JUST ARRIVED
07:54tritiumI'm defending my thesis in 10 weeks, so my coverage will be sparse until then, if I am an op
07:54KamionLathiat: yeah ...
07:55makotritium: that's fine.. that's why there are a dozen or so people with ops
07:55Simiramako: I think it's a good list. I don't know tritium and carlk, but the others are good
07:55sabdfllooks good to me - mako go ahead and thank them if they accept it
07:55sabdflmako: 1 millionth, or Hoary?
07:55lamontmako: WOOT!
07:55makosabdfl: well, haory now.. got hte 1 millionth yesterday :)
07:55ogramako, yeah
07:55Simiramako: send some for me, please?
07:55dholbachincredible!
07:55Lathiatwoo they are shipping? great
07:55dholbachchampagne!
07:55sabdflok, LocoTeamList?
07:55smurfixCool. When will mine arrive then?  ;-)
07:56\shsmurfix: hmm...and mine...same timezone ;)
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07:56Kamionthe third point in InternetRelayChat's implementation plan is a very good idea, I think
07:56Lathiatyes
07:56Lathiatespecially in big public channels like that, that does help
07:57Kamionthe current number of two is too small in proportion
07:57smurfixgetting started with locoteamlists ... mako wanted to create that mailing list as soon as he is admin on the lists box and can do it
07:57makosmurfix: do you have anything to vote on or present on loco teams?
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07:58sabdflas to the last point, happy to take on ops, just need someone to tell me how to use it appropriately
07:58coastGNUKamion: on the long run there should be at least 2 op per timezone
07:58Lathiatsabdfl: its pretty easy i can give you a quick rundown if you want.
07:58ograthere is a faq on freendoe anywhere
07:58ografreenode even
07:58makosabdfl: just type /kickban daniels every time you join ;)
07:58Lathiat(that goes for anyone)
07:58Lathiatmako: haha
07:58sabdflLathiat: cool, thanks, privmsg?
07:58Lathiatsabdfl: sure
07:58\sh /msg chanserv help ;)
07:58Amaranthanyone in central standard time (US)?
07:58Amaranth:)
07:58makoAmaranth: i'm in eastern time us
07:58makoclose enough
07:59makosmurfix: nothing this time?
07:59makosmurfix: i think we'll have some new loco team process stuff to present at the next one.. the spec needs to be fully polished
07:59makomaybe some other CC related specs
07:59makoincluding the membership/maintainership one
07:59makowill be up for presentation
07:59smurfixmako: not WRT specific teams; I've arrived home yesterday and haven't gotten around to any team-specific stuff yet.
07:59makomostly small changes but they need to eventually be run by the council
07:59makoso....
07:59makothat brings us to
07:59makoANY OTHER BUSINESS?
07:59smurfixmako: right
08:00Simiramako / smurfix: I have some thoughts about LoCo activities, as well as some question. I can try to have them written down by next meeting.
08:00makoSimira: awesome
08:00makoAO
08:00sabdflnext meeting?
08:00makoAOB.. going once
08:00makogone
08:00mako:)
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08:00makoso
08:01makoso the new meeting times proposed were
08:01mako22UTC and 12UTC
08:01sabdflnow that diamond is out of earshot...
08:01smurfixSimira: might be best to discuss them in email during the next two weeks. We have also done some wok on that at UDU; have you read that?
08:01sabdflboth fine by me
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08:01makoi want to find out which one is better for the aussies
08:01makoand then suggest that one
08:01Lathiatgrumbel at ^W in xchat = close window
08:01Simirasmurfix: no, I've generally had a problem finding documentations on udu work...
08:01makoso we can get jerome and others there
08:01smurfixSimira: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamProcess
08:01makofor the next meeting
08:01makobut it will be in two weeks from today
08:02sabdflactually 22 UTC is sort of in verboten time for me during summer
08:02sabdflin london
08:02sabdflwhen marianne is in town
08:02Simirasmurfix: ah, thanks. I'll send you a mail when it's done.
08:02makohmm..
08:02\shsabdfl: 22 utc is 23 uk time?
08:02smurfixSimira: I've already implemented some of that on the main wiki's loco* pages
08:02makoif we do these bi-weekly, they should be quick meetings
08:02sabdfl\sh: yes, in summer
08:03makowe can discuss this then
08:03sabdflso at preent i could do up to 21h00 UTC
08:03\shsabdfl:hmmm....23:00 the pubs are closed..u should visit germany ;)
08:03dholbachwhy don't we rotate in +8h cycles?
08:03Amaranthpubs close at 23:00?
08:03makobut the next meeting will be at SOME TIME on tuesday may 24th
08:03mdkeAmaranth, yup
08:03makoAmaranth: don't ask.. it's insane
08:03\shAmaranth: in uk yes :)
08:03ogradholbach, because there is a big hole in the schedule then
08:04mdkenot for long tho
08:04sabdflhmm... in two weeks M is away, so next meeting can be 22h00 UTC. happy with that mako?
08:04Simiradholbach: please, not
08:04makosabdfl: yes
08:04sabdflkamion? elmo?
08:04Amaranth02:00 here :)
08:04dholbachhm... i thought it was fairest for everybody involved
08:04KamionI can make any of the suggested times
08:04Kamionat least on Tuesdays
08:04elmosure
08:04makodholbach: we can.. we just can't rotate into insane times for the uk or we don't have enough people to vote :)
08:04makodholbach: experience dictates
08:04elmoI'm happy with any time that's >> 7am british time
08:04Simira:D
08:04Amaranthhey, i think i was here for that rotation
08:05sabdflok. done
08:05makoAmaranth: :)
08:05Amaranthwe spent 40 minutes trying to get enough people to open
08:05makoexcellent
08:05JanCAmaranth : pubs close at 23h in the UK, 'private' clubs don't...  ;-)
08:05makothanks everyone!
08:05sabdflmako: thanks very much! do the countdown thing again :-)
08:05dholbachmako: ok... you're right
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08:05makodholbach: thanks for helping poke and prod and provide information.. i appreciate it
08:05AmaranthJanC: That's...disturbing.
08:05dholbachmako: de rien :-)
08:05mdkeAmaranth, they are about to implement 24 hour licensing
08:05JanCand you can get a 1-day 'membership' in most clubs  ;-)
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08:06LathiatJanC: heheh
08:06sabdflok, thanks everyone and see you in two weeks! welcome aboard new Members
08:06mdkethanks
08:06makoalright
08:06Kamionthanks all
08:06\shsabdfl: thx :)
08:06makoif you were approved
08:06dholbachthanks!
08:06Amaranthdholbach: shouldn't those be ordered by date?
08:06tritiumThanks again, all :)
08:06\shthx to all :)
08:06ograthanks
08:06makoyou're not ACTUALLY a member until you ahve sent me a signed CoC
08:06\shmako: look in your inbox ,)
08:06makoso if you were approved by the council today
08:06Lathiat\sh: haha
08:06makoi already have gotten a few of them
08:06tritiummako, we're sticking around to discuss #ubuntu ops?
08:06JanCfortunately, some pubs in Belgium are opened 24h/day  :)
08:06makotritium: i need a minute to get some coffee and such
08:06tritiumof course
08:07makothis was a long meeting
08:07makoyeah, back in 15
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08:07\shLathiat: well...if you could see me laying here with backpain...and laptop on my hips....;) it's funny how i do my work right now ,)
08:07crimsunplease ping me when ops is back up for discussion, switching to another buffer
08:07Lathiat\sh: :(
08:07tritiumcrimsun, will do
08:08crimsunthanks, tritium
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08:09JanC\sh : I really hope it never gets as bad for you as my father had once; he couldn't get up without help for more than 2 months  :-(
08:09JanCso take care to not do anything to make it worse  ;-)
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08:10\shJanC: well...it's happening from time to time...at least i can move myself :)
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08:15Simirasmurfix: lots of good stuff you've done! I totally agree on every sentence. The things I had in mind though, is a bit more towards the practical ways of running a LoCo, as I've never done that before myself.
08:28tritiumI'll be back in 2 minutes...
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08:31tritiumI'm back
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08:40coastGNUsmurfix: ping
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08:48makotritium: nope
08:48makotritium: ok..
08:48tritiummako, ;)
08:49Amaranthso...
08:49Lathiathaha
08:51crimsun(reading chanserv help)
08:51ggrossi've got a question : Is there an HowTo to learn how to contribute to Ubuntu ? I'm a pretty new linux user (Ubuntu addict) and want to help as i can
08:51crimsunI presume the consensus is that all CC members in addition to those Ubuntu devs are ops?
08:51Lathiatggross: Are you a native english speaker?
08:52dholbachggross: http://ubuntu.com/community/participate is a good start
08:52\shsh*t
08:52ggrossLathiat: no sorry, but i understood it quite well
08:52makoggross: yes, the participate page is teh best we ahve
08:52makoi think it's quite good.. certainly quite better than it used to be
08:52Lathiatggross: Was just going to mention, if not, translation teams might be of interest
08:53Simiraand #ubuntu-love
08:53makosure
08:53dholbachdon't forget the MOTU team :-)
08:53Lathiatdholbach: :)
08:53ggrossMOTU isn't for boss-users ?
08:53Lathiatggross: boss-users?
08:53tritiumKamion, what were some of your concerns regarding #ubuntu?
08:53ograboss ?
08:53dholbachboss-users?
08:53ggrossi mean : great linux masters ?
08:54Amaranthhehe no
08:54Simiramako: I must admit, I still don't feel like I'm contributing enough, even I'm trying to runa LoCo and a translation team...
08:54ograggross, its lfor everyone who ants to help with packages
08:54ggrossok :D
08:54Simiraogra: don't you need to know a bit of programming and packaging for that?
08:54Kamiontritium: erm, fairly basic, just that it's too noisy and unhelpful to newcomers who aren't very used to IRC noise
08:55Kamiontritium: and general trolling etc.
08:55dholbachSimira: you can learn it all, if you want to
08:55ograSimira, there is nothing you cant learn ;)
08:55tritiumKamion, I agree.
08:55Kamiontritium: nothing unusual for IRC, just needs to be brought under control more
08:55AmaranthKamion: You could do what #python did.
08:55dholbachmy proposal was to have #ubuntu-beginners as well :-)
08:55ograargh
08:55Simiradholbach, ogra : actually, right now, there is. That's why I'm on a sick leave from my studies for another 6 months :p
08:55LathiatAmaranth: i disagree with what #pyton did
08:55Lathiatit splits up knowledge
08:55Lathiatand makes it harder to look after
08:55AmaranthLathiat: No other way to handle the problem.
08:56Lathiattho only possible reason i see for that is when there are too many people talking the channel goes by too fast to be usefull. i don't know if that was an issue for #python or not
08:56ograSimira, there is nothing you cant learn .... if you like it enough you will eventually :P
08:56makotritium: yeah, i don't think the problem is that #ubuntu is horrible.. just that we've gottena lot of complaints that it's out of control and are there aren't a lot of people who taking a sort of leadership role in bringing it back under control
08:56AmaranthLathiat: It moved pretty quick at times.
08:56makotritium: and that the lack of operators was one major factor in that
08:56makoso, we'll make more operators
08:57tritiummako, right
08:57ggross+1 for operators too
08:57makoif we get to a place where there are active and responsible ops in the channel all of the time, and we still need to make changes, we can cross that bridge then
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08:57crimsunyeah, currently we can't cover the entire day
08:57makothe role of an op should be to make sure the CoC is respected, remind peopl when it's not
08:58makocrimsun: then we need more ops. that's fine
08:58makofeel free to suggest people to me
08:58Amaranthi'd like to volunteer, but i think you have some bureaucratic things i'd have to go through first
08:58makoAmaranth: not really
08:58Amaranthi hope i spelled that right
08:58crimsunAmaranth: I think you're on the recommended list, no?
08:58Amaranthi am? where is that list?
08:58crimsun(during the meeting)
08:58Amaranthoh, i missed the meeting
08:58Amaranthdid my math wrong
08:58makoAmaranth: wait dude.. yeah. we already approved you as an op :)
08:59makoAmaranth: if you want it, it's yours
08:59Amaranthcool
08:59makonot really buerocratic
08:59crimsunI'll go ahead and op those in that list if that's ok, mako
08:59makosuggest people you think would be good and the cc will use any previous experience they ahve and talk to some other irc regulars who we trust
08:59makocrimsun: yeah. we need to add them to the chanserv too
08:59ograAmaranth, getting a gpg key ....
08:59crimsunmako: ok
09:00Amaranthogra: I think I have one. That's the same thing used to sign packages, right?
09:00ograAmaranth, and signing a document with it....
09:00makotritium: so what was your question?
09:00makotritium: anything in particular?
09:00tritiumperhaps we should discuss the role of the ops a little.  You mention the CoC.  I assume we're also there to help with questions (as is reasonable)
09:00ograAmaranth, yep... it should be signed ....
09:00Amarantherr, what?
09:00tritiummako, from before during the CC?
09:00makotritium: ops should be a good example
09:01tritiummy concern earlier was my availability
09:01ograAmaranth, ,,, by anyone from the strong connected set....(thats nearly everyone you find on the pgp servers)
09:01makonot afraid to use the power when they need to, also not using it unnecessarily
09:01crimsunAmaranth: can't op you since you're not in that channel ;)
09:01makoexcercise good judgement, be helpful where you can
09:01makocorrect people when they are wrong
09:01makothat's it
09:01crimsunAmaranth: n/m
09:01ogramako, what if an op abuses his power
09:01tritiumit's easy, as someone mentioned earlier, spending hours just answering question after question
09:02makothen they won't be an op anymore
09:02Lathiattritium: ugh, i get sucked into that far too often.
09:02Lathiatlargely because so many people give out bad info :\
09:02makotake whatever time you have
09:02Amaranthogra: You've lost me. :/
09:02Lathiatand i feel sorry for the poor users, heh.
09:02tritiumYes, backports and ubuntuguide come to mind
09:02makoif you don't have loads of time, that's fine
09:02ograAmaranth, i was talking about the key
09:02makoi'll be an op but i won't be paying attention to the channel very much
09:02makothat's life
09:02ogramako, me too
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09:03makowe want people who are there much of the time so they can play an important role there
09:03Amaranthogra: I need someone to sign my key?
09:03makobut you're a volunteer and we understand that
09:03ograAmaranth, to make it valid, yes
09:03AmaranthLathiat: bit by ^W again?
09:03Lathiati think the first goal should be to have someone with ops at least around 24/7 for other people to harass when some authority needs to be asserted.
09:03LathiatAmaranth: yeh
09:03LathiatAmaranth: i should install davyds packages that fix that
09:03Amaranthogra: Ok, how do I do that?
09:03Lathiatbut.. effort
09:03Lathiatwhen im bored
09:03crimsuntritium: bob2 described it pretty well (similar to what mako said): we're fairly hands-off in terms of muzzling or banning, warn lots before actually muzzling
09:03ograAmaranth, meet someone else with a key in person.... sign each other
09:04Amaranthha
09:04Amaranthi live in iowa
09:04Lathiatyeh, warning and diffusing helps with trolls, otherwise it just gets worse
09:04ograAmaranth, at a LUG or at uni....
09:04tritiumcrimsun, good, I like that
09:04makowe don't need a #ubuntu irc war
09:04Kamionhttp://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=Iowa
09:04Amaranthogra: Anyone could do it?
09:04KamionI realise Iowa's a big place though
09:04ograAmaranth, see Kamion
09:04KamionAmaranth: anyone who's already in the strongly-connected set
09:04makoi think if we're remotely respectful of each other, it'll be no problem
09:05Kamionor come to an Ubuntu conference :-)
09:05ograyeah
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09:05ograthat will catapult you in the top 1000 immediately
09:05Simirahaha
09:05LathiatAmaranth: ok
09:05LathiatAmaranth: gpg keys
09:05LathiatAmaranth: they can be 'signed'
09:05makotritium: did you have other questions
09:05JanCAmaranth : preferably someone who's strongly involved in open source  ;-)
09:05Lathiatthis means that someone else has verified that key belongs to you
09:06Lathiatit usually involves checking each otehrs photo ID to confirm they are them
09:06AmaranthI got that part, the strongly-connected part confused me though.
09:06Lathiatand manually (in person) checking the key fingerprint is correct
09:06Lathiatso then by signign peopels keys
09:06Lathiatyou create a 'web of trust'
09:06tritiummako, just wondering about ChanServ issues
09:06Amaranthi'm on the other side of the state from the people on that website
09:06Lathiatso what you want is someone to sign your key
09:06Lathiatwho has been signed by lots of other people
09:06Lathiat(in the ubuntu communit)
09:06Lathiator at the very least, by 1
09:08AmaranthOk, but none of those people live anywhere near me.
09:08KamionAmaranth: strongly-connected basically means that you're linked into the same web of signings as everyone else
09:09KamionAmaranth: (none of this is necessary for #ubuntu IRCopping or anything, in case there's confusion about that)
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09:09makotritium: i don't have chanserv access for that channel
09:09makotritium: i'll find out who does and have them add the folks on taht list
09:09Amaranthok
09:09tritiummako, thanks
09:09Amaranthwould all that crap be required for motu? :P
09:09makotritium: that's it?
09:09ograAmaranth, yep
09:09Amaranthyeah, i think i'll just get someone else to package my stuff
09:09KamionI believe that's jdub
09:09crimsun(yep, gotta be a member to be a maintainer ;)
09:09ograAmaranth, because your key is your identity
09:10Kamionand possibly lamont/fabbione/Keybuk
09:10Kamionmako: ^--
09:10tritiummako, yeah, sorry.  I didn't mean to keep you around.
09:10ograAmaranth, andyou verify your responsibility by signing the package
09:10Amaranthso how are all these people getting accepted for motu then? i doubt they're all meeting those guys in person
09:10makoKamion: cool
09:10LathiatAmaranth: other people can sponsor the packages
09:11Lathiatand upload them
09:11Lathiatrather than the person doing it
09:11ograAmaranth, one who has a signe key is enough
09:11makoAmaranth: they are meeting someone who i meeting someone who is meeting those guys
09:11KamionAmaranth: everyone who can upload has met up with somebody
09:11KamionAmaranth: Debian does this too - regardless of what you might have heard, getting one's key signed is usually not the hard part there
09:11Amaranthheh
09:12Amaranthwell, it's the hard part for me, i live in the middle of the country with no one even remotely near me
09:12Amaranthi'll just try to get sponsors
09:13Amaranthbtw, what's that biglumber.com site for?
09:13makoAmaranth: you must sometimes spend some time in a place where there are other computer users
09:14ograAmaranth, seeing where you find someone to sign you
09:14makoAmaranth: the site for people want to meet up and sign keys with other people :)
09:14Amaranthwell, i'm in omaha right now and lots of people are listed but i don't see how i can get someone to sign my key
09:14Kamionmail them and ask
09:15makoAmaranth: yeah dude.. just mail and ask.. if you're in omaha, you can definitely find someone
09:15Kamionthe people listed on biglumber are just those who signed themselves up there offering to sign keys, not everyone in the strong set
09:15ograAmaranth, they have put their data there intentional ;)
09:15makoAmaranth: you meet up and you ahve coffee/tea/beer/whatever.. you chat about computers, you exchange information
09:15makoyou get a key signed and you make a friend
09:15Kamionyeah, it's meant to be a social thing
09:15makoi've met lots of great people through keysigning
09:16Amaranthheh, there's the problem ;)
09:16amu.. ah thats the keytrinking and beersinging thing :)
09:16tritiumAmaranth, just don't touch mako's passport
09:16AmaranthI don't do social things much. If I did I wouldn't be on IRC so much. :)
09:16ograhehe
09:16makodude, i've had places to stay while traveling through people i met originally throug hkeysignings :)
09:16makoAmaranth: yes, but chances are, these people ALSO do irc
09:16crimsunyeah, keysignings are great for prospective couches
09:17Lathiatheh
09:17Amaranthdamn, i missed the Omaha LUG
09:17Amaranthit was may 3rd
09:17makoyeah, that would have been good
09:17makowhatever dude, just mail the people on the biglumber
09:17makoorganize a meeting at a bar of cafe of your choice
09:18makothen run with it
09:19Amaranthcrimsun: btw, what happens when i get disconnected? do i need you to op me again?
09:19Amaranthcrimsun: since i'm not in the access list
09:21makoAmaranth: chanserv
09:21makoAmaranth: you will be
09:22crimsunor bug one of the other ops (/me points at tritium ;)
09:22crimsun(I'm not in the access list either)
09:24tritiumnone of us are yet.  We just help each other out in the meantime
09:24Amaranthok
09:25Amaranthoh, one last thing
09:25Amaranthdoes anyone have logs of the meeting?
09:26ggrossi must have it
09:26tritiumfabbione does
09:26Kamionhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ will get them in time
09:26Kamion(automatically)
09:26Amaranththanks
09:26Lathiati'd be happy to help out operator wise, as i am around irc alot of the day, but im not really widely involved with the project yet and nor am i a member yet, where does that leave me?
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09:28crimsunyou should really apply for membership
09:28tritiummako, thanks again for your support on membership, and for the ops meeting
09:29Lathiatcrimsun: i plan to
09:29Lathiattrying to get involved more with MOTU atm
09:30dholbachwohoo!
09:30crimsunexcellent
09:30Lathiati'm already doing a lot of local advocacy etc
09:31Lathiatgot quite a few people at my uni interested and actually using it, gave away a stack of warty cds with quite a few bites, etc. eagerly awaiting my hoary cds.
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09:32tritiumis it true that membership comes with an @ubuntu.com email address?
09:33ograyep
09:33ograeventually
09:34dholbachat some stage :-)
09:34tritiumnice ;)
09:38\shpray that the machine is coming up again
09:38\shit's my old redhat 7.2 installation on a dual pIII
09:39Lathiatheh
09:39\shand i had to reboot it the hard way
09:39\shunplug powercable
09:39\shand ext2+ext3 as fs :(
09:40Lathiat\sh: no magic sysrq key in kernel?
09:40Lathiatalt+sysrq+s is a life saver
09:40Lathiatext2 is ouch
09:40\shLathiat: well...not remoteley
09:40Lathiatext3 shoudl be ok
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09:48\shphew
09:48\shup and running
09:49\shi did a good job i have to say...right now i'm really proud of me...and the customers on this server are happy too
09:50Lathiatwhat happened?
09:52\shwell.
09:52\shthere was a temp mysql file in /tmp
09:52\shit ate all the space on the /tmp part
09:52\shso nothing worked...no mysql nothing
09:52\shbut it wasn't shown as a big fat file...it showed only 100kb
09:53\shi couldn't kill mysql, cause it tried to write to this file...
09:53\shsyncing disks didn't help
09:54\shso...I had 2 ptys running sync couldn't stop them in any way...the next decision was: hard reboot via powerswitch
09:54\shthe only fear i had was ext2+ext3
09:54\shi had some nasty crashes earlier on with ext3
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09:55Lathiatheh
09:55Lathiatfun
09:55\shbut it looks like the server liked it the way I handled it ;) most likely this server had a sm treatment ;)
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